Comments: alternative primatial oversight

Would it be possible to deal with those churches & dioceses which differ from the ECUSA in the same fashion the Roman Catholic Church has dealt with the Byzantine Rite churches in its midst. It gets a mite complicated, and sometimes it seems as if they are not actually "one," but it does have a way of working that the proposed intrusion of overseas bishops into US dioceses would, it appears to me, not. Has this been given any thought?

Posted by Roy Flinchbaugh at Saturday, 16 September 2006 at 8:11pm BST

Yes, Roy: it's called "DEPO" (delegated episcopal pastoral oversight). Recognizing the *one* canonical authority (for which GC is the analog for the Roman pontiff---Papists reading here, please, no comments!), they can be *delegated* another bishop, w/ another rite.

...but the Pope *doesn't* worry that Byzantine Catholics will, at any moment, defect en masse/en-titled, to Constantinople. And neither should TEC have to worry about defections, among those few parishes whom it may delegate an alternative bishop (even if a foreign bishop, as +Peter Lee *delegated* +Lord Carey to confirm in Virginia). Unfortunately, we do NOT have such confidence, at this time...


"As we move to reflecting on these requests, we have to acknowledge that we are entering uncharted waters for the Communion"

Hardly, Rowan Cantuar.

You're talking about you (or another primate of "the Communion") moving into the very charted *territorial waters* of TEC (that is, TEC holds stewardship over these waters which, as w/ the Earth, "is the Lord's").

Unlike some (e.g., +Jack Iker), I'm all for "personal, probing conversation." But as you talk about "entering (TEC's) waters," I'm suddenly reminded of the difference between "welcome" and "inclusion." (Who said this, anyway? ;-/)

Posted by J. C. Fisher at Sunday, 17 September 2006 at 1:47am BST

David Virtue has already described the ALPO dioceses as seceding from The Episcopal Church (which is esseentially correct, but refusing to accept the legally elected Presiding Bishop they are refusing to accept the constitutional authority to which all the clergy have solemnly sworn to accept).

The Eastern Rite Roman Catholics accept the doctrinal position espoused the Latin Rite Catholics headed by the pope but have their own forms of worship (& generally their own canonical traditions). The situation is simply not comparable to the doctrinal & canonical objections of the dissidents (most of whom are quite content to use the liturgical rites of the Book of Common Prayer of The Episcopal Church)

Posted by Prior Aelred at Sunday, 17 September 2006 at 10:23am BST

The good Prior wrote, "David Virtue has already described the ALPO dioceses as seceding from The Episcopal Church..."

And so has Kim Byham, an attorney and member of the Episcopal Church's Executive Council, who has a much greater weight of authority than the so-called Mr. "Virtue"

Posted by David Huff at Tuesday, 19 September 2006 at 2:40pm BST
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