Comments: petitions opposed to the 'Single Clause' option

This takes me back to the days when the ritualist controversies saw petitions (or 'memorials' in those days) signed by thousands arriving at Lambeth Palace sponsored by bodies such as the English Church Union (now the Church Union) and the Church Association (now the Church Society) demanding that something be done. What was to be done depended on what side you were one.

Nowadays the successors of these two bodies are on the same side, it seems.

Of course, the more petitions there are the less likely they are to be taken seriously. I only hope that the original one by women clergy is taken seriously as it represented an original, sustainable and rational argument.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Posted by Wilf at Wednesday, 28 May 2008 at 5:52pm BST

The problem with all petitions is that they remain subjective, as do people's views about them. I dare say we could all find people who feel this or that petition has a rational and sustained argument, and it would mean very little. As I said before, elsewhere, why not let be and keep our peace and let General Synod have their say. THEN we can get worked up. Or am I being naive?

Posted by Fr. G at Thursday, 29 May 2008 at 9:53am BST

I may misunderstand CoE polity and policy on these options from the Manchester Rpt, but so far it seems to me that the difference between being protected by a code or practice and having your own virtual diocese which can be swept and kept WO woman-free is significant to all sides of the controversy.

And any arrangement can have unintended consequences, particularly if we weaponize changing and/or staying unchanged.

Clearly, neither option will settle or establish the even thornier dilemma of peace and good will across the differences involved. That is the deeper, real dilemma which needs a new sort of Elizabethan stroke of genius to get it right. At least these options are being openly discussed,
whatever the outcome.

Having read more just now, I find myself now wondering if ethical and theological calls will eventually ask me to stop pledging in a church life community which persists in finding itself unable to deal fairly with the gifted and talented and dedicated women raise up in its very midst.

I can visit on high holy days or low as a sort of occasional welcome exists in almost all global faith communities. Living there, to be nourished deliberately in self-satisfied unchange-ability - well that may be another matter that needs some prayer, some thought, some Sophia.

If any option taken works out like Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't pursue in the USA military, then that option will fall flat as a pancake over time.

Posted by drdanfee at Thursday, 29 May 2008 at 3:15pm BST

Wilf: I suppose the point of the petitions is mainly to indicate the strength of feeling on the issue, isn't it? What shocks me, really, is the lack of strong feeling so many Anglicans have generally about justice issues - the women and gay issues merely highlight this. Our history as a state church has not prepared us well to keep alive edgy radicalism, burning desire for justice and peace, has it?

Posted by Fr Mark at Friday, 30 May 2008 at 8:19am BST

I just wanted to say thanks for actually posting these links.

Posted by John Richardson at Saturday, 31 May 2008 at 2:22pm BST

Question: Why don't they have the theological integrity to leave, a Church which in their view is heretical?

Answer: They want the endowments.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Saturday, 31 May 2008 at 7:48pm BST
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