Comments: update on Quincy

I sincerely hope TEC's House of Bishops will have something (Negative!) to say about this SHELLGAME that ?Beckwith and xAckerman are trying to pull.

Posted by JCF at Friday, 5 December 2008 at 11:09pm GMT

Peter Beckwith says there are three types of Anglican "revisionist", "institutionalst" and "loyalist". He defines them like this:

"The first group denies the authority and catholic teaching of Holy Scripture."

"The second group may very well profess an orthodox faith, but .....this position has all the hallmarks of idolatry because it would appear to value the institution of the Church more than God and the Gospel."

"orthodoxy views personal experience through the lens of Scripture. .......the Kingdom of God cannot be achieved on our terms and we understand the audacity of suggesting our words are God’s words rather than striving to have God’s words be our words."

I guess the way the bishop uses "we" is the giveaway as to which group he claims "unequivocally" to belong.

The whole piece is worth a look.

But surely, by his own criteria and in the light of this new “province” being called into existence, his remaining as a bishop within TEC places him and the former bishop of Quincy firmly in the “institutionalist” group.

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Saturday, 6 December 2008 at 10:45am GMT

"firmly in the “institutionalist” group."

Maybe, but given this statement

"The first group denies the authority and catholic teaching of Holy Scripture."

he is clearly in the "lying and reviling" group.

Posted by Ford Elms at Saturday, 6 December 2008 at 7:44pm GMT

I've just been given a press clipping from 'Ringing World', in which our local independent grand imperial white wizard and archimandrite, Mar Thingummy of Barrow hails his connection with the Southern Cone. These secessionists are getting into bed (so to speak) with some very strange people.

It has to be said, though, that it may be a good promotion route. I met our local independent, then candidating for (mere CofE ordination), only about 15 years ago. Now he's an archbishop, and probably Oecumenical Exarch of the Isle of Axholme, while I'm still just an ordinary parish priest.

Posted by mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) at Sunday, 7 December 2008 at 12:53pm GMT

Read the comments on Stand Firm about the Cathedral voting not to leave TEC....they are very fact vile.... remembers the warning words of St Paul about having faith which is rendered null by lack of charity.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Sunday, 7 December 2008 at 2:56pm GMT

Robert Ian Williams:

I believe that your comment would apply pretty much universally were you to omit the words "about the Cathedral voting not to leave TEC" (I exaggerate ... perhaps .. just a little ...)

Posted by Prior Aelred at Sunday, 7 December 2008 at 4:28pm GMT

Is the 'Stand-Firm' web-site even more vitriolic than 'Virtue-on-line'? I can't believe it! What amuses me about the last-named site is it's so obvious misnomer. And as for the first; it sounds like an ad for Viagra - very anti-women.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 10 December 2008 at 10:08pm GMT

"What amuses me about the last-named site is it's so obvious misnomer."

I know! It's incredibly puerile, I think, to laugh at someone else's name, but in this context, I can't help myself. It's like some sort of Bizarro world if what gets said there can be classed as virtue. I posted there once several years ago, not at all my usual tone, calmly suggesting that they tone down the rhetoric, that I did not challenge their position, but that their behaviour was not a good representation of the Gospel, and that such anger and venom damaged their cause. It got posted, but a subsequent, equally mild, posting did not. Nothing I have tried to post since, though i only tried a couple of times, has been accepted. That's why I get so mad with the conservatives who try to make themselves look persecuted and silenced by Simon here. It's utter nonsense, but they obviously really really need to believe everybody is oppressing them, even the longsuffering hosts of this site. A local RC priest wrote a book a few years ago called "Abba, God of Liberty". It would seem most of them worship a God of threat, fear, judgement, and captivity to Law. Sad really.

Posted by Ford Elms at Thursday, 11 December 2008 at 1:10pm GMT
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