Comments: General Synod: Membership of Organisations which contradict the duty to promote race equality

Mr Justin Brett (Oxford) moved:

Leave out all the words after “That this Synod” and insert “affirm that membership of any organisation whose constitution, aims, objectives or pronouncements contradict the promotion of race equality is compatible with the Apostolic Christian faith.”.

Did he really use the word "compatible" rather than "incompatible" or is this a typo?

Posted by RPNewark at Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 5:34pm GMT

Sorry, our mistake, being corrected now.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 6:16pm GMT

It is necessary to begin with a disclaimer - I am not now, never have been, and never will be, a member of the BNP. I am, however. a libertarian, and I regard this motion as thoroughly illiberal and theologically appalling. The motion tells BNP members that they are, because of their political beliefs, to be excluded from the church. It is a vile message, in effect saying, 'You are so great sinners that you are to be denied the ministrations of the church'. The CofE has invented a new category of sin. In addition to venial sins and mortal sins, there is now the greatest sin of them all - the one that excludes the transgressor from the church - the failure to promote the idea that all races are 'equal'.

Posted by Paul R at Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 8:01pm GMT

Why can the C of E not simply take a stand against discrimination, full stop (i.e. on the basis of e.g. gender, sexual orientation, etc. as well as race)? It's no more than what all other employers in Britain have already been doing to follow the requirements of the law, after all...

Posted by Fr Mark at Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 9:01pm GMT

I find it rather sad that such a ban needed to be enforced upon Church of England clergy. I would have thought that candidates for ordination would have been vetted for their possible racial discrimination tendencies; denying the grace of Holy Orders to anyone discriminating against ethnic, gender or sexual orientation differences. Let's wait and see how the rest of General Synod goes on these important issues.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 10 February 2009 at 10:36pm GMT

Surely, Paul R. in some respects the one is as bad as the other ;=)

Nor is it a new sin, if one doesn't count Byzation and the Crusades as novel?

Posted by Göran Koch-Swahne at Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 5:03am GMT

AS a paid up Guardian reader, I'm not happy with this. Surely it could have been dealt with under 'conduct unbecoming'? Plenty of other things which are not illegal but are contrary to Christian belief (eg being found in bed with the wrong person/species) are dealt with via that route.

Posted by mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) at Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 11:46am GMT

David Rowett asks why BNP membership could not have been dealt with under "conduct unbecoming".

The answer is that when the CDM was framed it included a clause stating that membership of a political party couild not be used as grounds for proceedings. At the time CDM was being prepared there was a great fear of catch all mechanisms that clergy would easily fall foul of, and this clause was to prevent scurrillous proceedings against members of all parties that the complainant disagreed with. In practice we have found CDM to have a high initial bar that weeds out such and synod now feels more comfortable with removing that clause.

Posted by David Walker at Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 3:16pm GMT

"The motion tells BNP members that they are, because of their political beliefs, to be excluded from the church."

But those "political beliefs" are that some humans are superior to others and have rights and priveleges that are denied to others. This is not merely a political belief, this is a direct refutation of one of the basics of the Christian faith, that all humans are loved equally by God, regardless of what they are, what they do, where they come from or anything else. God loves us all equally. Period. Where is there room in the Church for those who imply He does not? If He sees no diference between us, where do we get off claiming there is? This is not "exclusion" this is merely stating that those who do not believe the Christian faith, and defined in a very general manner, I might add, may not act in a capacity where they are expected to preach and promote Christian doctrine, since they clearly don't understand Christian doctrine sufficiently to be able to preach it. It's like saying that if you think that horsepower means there are horses pulling your vehicle, then you ought not be a car salesman. I make the same argument about certain GAFCON bishops.

Posted by Ford Elms at Wednesday, 11 February 2009 at 4:47pm GMT

Re: +David's comment on the CDM - does that mean that the political parties clause might be removed as the simplest way of enacting the mind of Synod?

Posted by mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) at Thursday, 12 February 2009 at 1:27pm GMT

Is Vasantha Gnanadoss a Christian or is she just a anti racial activist?

Posted by A Christian in Yorkshire at Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 7:38pm GMT
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