Comments: reactions to Peter Selby

"The House of Bishops is failing not only itself and the wider Church but the lives of thousands of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender members of the Church of England, lay and ordained, their families and friends and congregations. The impact of the House of Bishops' dishonesty is deep and widespread in the Church - Colin Coward -

It has become obvious that the influence of the anti-gay sodality in the Church of England (and elswhere in the Communion) is motivating the culture of denial within the House of Bishops, that prevents them from being honest in dialogue with the likes of Colin Coward and 'Changing Attitude' on the integrity of simply 'being' a Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual or Transgender Person - whether in the Church or in the World.

With an Archbishop who has already expressed his own mind on the subject - before he became ABC -
it is time that he and the other bishops in the C.of E. abandoned their support for the status quo, and were honest about the reality of issues of sexuality and gender as they exist already within the ranks of the Clergy - as well as the Laity of the Church.

To continue to pretend that the whole Church is unanimous in its support of the official stance against homosexuality promoted at an earlier Lambeth Conference (where certain African Bishops publicly attempted to 'exorcise' a gay priest) is to exacerbate the culture of double-mindedness of the Bishops of the C.of E., bringing further discredit upon the Church.

Apart from charitable almsgiving, the ethos of the 'left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing' has no place in Church polity. The same goes for the iniquitous practice of the so-called 'Two Integrities' being proposed to meet the objections of the anti-women faction. Double-mindedness is not a good look for the civil realm of government let alone the leadership of the Church. Bishops have always been looked to as the 'focus of unity' in the Church Catholic, but when 'unity' is based on a myth, it may be no longer seen as either viable or laudable.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 10:04pm BST

¨Don't let homophobia set the Anglican agenda, says bishop¨ Bishop Selby/James Richardson

Dear Dr. Williams, Are you aware of the CURRENT, yes immediate, threat to LGBT Anglicans in UGANDA?
Surely, you have time to ¨comment¨ on the deadly agenda prescribed by Archbishop Orombi and others that will most likely be passed into law very soon?

+++Rowan if you are able to remove children from oncoming traffic I hope you´ll also consider a moment of awareness of your further spiritual/moral leadership responsibilities as ¨first amongst¨ at The Anglican Communion.

The Gay Cleansing Pogrom/Inquistion is about to begin in Uganda...Anglican/other blood will flow, please read here:

¨What can we do?¨

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 6:26pm BST

Thanks you, Leonardo, for that URL.

I do not understand how the Archbishop of Canterbury, a thoughtful and good man, can allow himself to be so morally diminished by events.

Posted by Peter of Westminster at Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 8:36am BST

"I do not understand how the Archbishop of Canterbury, a thoughtful and good man, can allow himself to be so morally diminished by events."
-Peter of Westminster -

I think some of us do understand, Peter. Having accepted the role of Primus-inter-pares, the ABC, Archbishop Rowan, feels an obligation to listen to every side of every argument in the Church. With respect to the LGBT issue, it has become obvious that the GAFCON Primates - mostly from African Provinces - have exerted an extreme level of pressure on the ABC to accede to their view of the inadmissablity of homosexuality as what they are disposed to call an un-Godly 'lifestyle' in either the Church or the world.

The very fact that certain Bishops in the African Church were caught trying to 'exorcise' a gay priest of the C.of E., at Lambeth 1998, should have warned the Archbishop - and all other Bishops at that conference - that something odd was going on there. and that there needed to be a great deal of heart-searching about the degree of primitive religious thought still floating around in the Church about sexuality and gender issues.

Sadly, the Church of England Bishops seem not yet ready to challenge some of the 'missionary Churches' on these issues - with the result that the Luddites are allowed to prevail. The numbers game is being played by the likes of Archbishops Akinola and Orombi, and other GAFCON Primates, to the extent that the ABC is worried that the rest of us may not be able to match up to the ethical requirements of the new Puritans in the Communion

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 18 October 2009 at 10:10am BST

"Anglican/other blood will flow"

Thanks for bringing this to the fore, Leonardo. Sarcasm alert!!!There is some comfort to be taken. For the past 1700 years, give or take, the Church has declared that if the State does it, it isn't murder. So, no-one'll be murdered in Uganda. Also, since we are assured by some in the Church of Nigeria that homosexuals aren't made by God, then it won't be a part of Creation that's being destroyed. So no great worries.

One of the first steps taken in a genocide is to dehumanize the victims. In Germany in the 30's, Jews were "vermin". Similar terms were used in Armenia. In Rwanda, Tutsis were called "cockroaches". Then, some in Nigeria started denying that gay people were created by God, now this. It doesn't necessarily mean a genocide is around the corner, but I would be very afraid if I lived in certain parts of Africa right now. That the Church would actually justify that fear rather than fight to relieve the causes of it is particularly chilling. If the Church of Uganda or Nigeria is not openly opposing this in the strongest possible terms, I have to wonder what they're preaching. I mean, preaching celibacy for homosexuals is one thing, but this seems to indicate a severe and deeply running unfamiliarity with some of the basic principles of the Gospel. What Gospel does this behaviour witness to? Certainly not the Gospel as transmitted to us in the Scriptures and the Tradition.

Posted by Ford Elms at Sunday, 18 October 2009 at 4:44pm BST
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