Comments: Catholic press on Ordinariate and Societies

The 'Tablet article reminds would-be converting priests (to the 'Ordinariate') will probably have to suffer the loss of full-time Church ministry when moving out of the C.of E.'s relatively better-paid personal circumstances of full-time ministry. Housing and stipends will probably be much lower than their present situation within the Church of England, so that it will become very important for the departing clergy to find some part-time 'other' situation in order to support their move to quasi-Anglican ministry under the authority of the Roman Magisterium.

This will be where the 'rubber hits the road' - especially for younger clergy with growing families. However, there may be a growing number of well-heeled Roman Catholics (and conservative Anglicans) who are keen to support the transfer of such clergy into the Ordinariates. It will be very interesting to see just what comes up.

The sum total of such a movement, however, will just contribute to a further proliferation of Christian sectarian institutes, whose aims and objectives are not entirely consonant with those of the broader 'catholic & apostolic' Church.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 23 October 2010 at 12:26am BST

@William Oddie: Meow! :-0

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 23 October 2010 at 2:29am BST

"You may not have noticed it (I had hardly noticed it myself) but trhe C of E (having with deliberation decided not to make any "special provision" for those opposed to women bishops) is currently mounting a last-minute attempt to undermine the ordinariate for Catholic Anglicans which is expected to be erected in the new year."

- William Oddie, in the Catholic Herald -

This article shows how differently the 'Catholic Herald' deals with ecumenical matters from the other publication, 'The Tablet' Their writer, William Oddie, however, makes the classical mistake of thinking that the latest 'Reform' entity in the Church of England (small in size) is actually speaking for the parent C.of E.

While Oddie has grasped that the C.of E. in Synod has intentionally 'decided not to make any provision for those opposed to women bishops' - at least so far as can be ascertained at the present moment - there is no intention on the part of the C.of E. to 'mount a last minute attempt to undermine the Ordinariate'.

In point of fact, the C.of E. at large might just be rather relieved if the protesters against women bishops would just quietly sidle off to the proposed quasi-Anglican, Roman Catholic enclave, leaving the broadly constitutive element of the Church of England to move quietly into the 21st century of apostolic endeavour - together with all the Baptized, not just the male element.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 23 October 2010 at 9:10am BST

Once again, I am puzzled by the apparent vitriol or at least rather strong language. While unhappy at the rumblings in the Church of England, i am content to wish anyone the very best in finding where they go to follow God's call for them. If their path is different from mine, then so be it. I fear that the stronger the response to something, the greater the worry behind it.
As for William Oddie's attack on SSWSH, I suspect that if the Ordinariate fails, it will have little to do with a society which will probably be made up of those who would never join an ordinariate in the first place.

Graeme Buttery

Posted by Graeme Buttery at Saturday, 23 October 2010 at 3:41pm BST

Fr Ron said: "the C.of E. in Synod has intentionally 'decided not to make any provision for those opposed to women bishops'"

I wonder, Father, if you will use this phrase - 'the CofE in Synod has decided...' - if the women bishops measure is defeated by the newly elected Synod, which is now a distinct possibility.

In that case, would you accept that the CofE in Synod decided either not to go ahead with a divisive move, or at least to make more substantial provision for those opposed to the ordination of women?

Posted by Fr James at Sunday, 24 October 2010 at 9:53am BST

Readers may recall that it was Oddie who made the crass comment that a woman is as capable of receiving ordination as a jar of anchovy paste. He is a singularly nasty-tongued individual who seems to be consumed with bitterness against the CofE in which he grew up. Sadly, not a few converts are like that. Psychologists please comment!

Posted by cryptogram at Sunday, 24 October 2010 at 9:59am BST

Responding to Fr. James, on Sunday; I might say that, whatever General Synod has said (or done) in the past, the new G.S. will obviously have to grasp the nettle of deciding: 1. Whether or not to proceed with the ordination of women bishops, and, if they do; 2. What may be done about special provision, if any, for dissenters. If GS allows the provision for women bishops to lapse, this would put the C.of England on the back foot in relation to other Provinces of the Communion.

Whatever happens on this matter, which will surely set the seal on future relationships of the Church of England with other Provinces; there will be other, perhaps even more widely-concerning matters to be dealt with by the incoming General Synod - that of the approval, or otherwise, of the proposed Anglican Covenant.

In both matters; what the C.of E. General Synod decides must have grave implications for the future of the Anglican Communion as a whole.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 24 October 2010 at 11:18pm BST
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