Comments: press reports on Yorkshire dioceses proposal

To moderately misquote the late Fred Trueman, 'Anyone who doesn’t know where Yorkshire is' should realise this is nowt to do wi'them!

Posted by Fr David at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 10:11am GMT

Will they look at the west Midlands next? scope there.

Posted by Perry Butler at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 4:17pm GMT

Some measure of rationalisation is long overdue. For 12 years I was incumbent of a parish in Wakefield diocese. Two neighbouring parishes were in the next deanery, so we had little enough contact with them, but worse still, two other neighbouring parishes (one of which was in the same municipal ward as we were) were in Bradford diocese. Contact there was absolutely nil. Indeed, in 12 years I never met the incumbent of the one in the same ward, nor got an invitation to the induction of his successor, and only met the incumbent of the other because I knocked on his door to ask him to display a poster.
We were 5 miles from Bradford Cathedral, and nearer 20 from Wakefield. The one was a single bus journey, the other was not to be attempted without a car, though paradoxically 50 years ago there was a direct bus service! And that's in the conurbation.

Posted by cryptogram at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 5:47pm GMT

As always, historical perspective suggests wider possibilities. Perhaps it will be a century or so before some Christians rise up willing to take on converting the descendents of these new in-comers and surely trying to do so now would not be popular -- but the pagan Angles and Saxons were converted -- and later the Danes.
Never say the story is over for the Church in Britain.
Columba Gilliss

Posted by Columba Gilliss at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 5:53pm GMT

"The Telegraph has 'Church cuts bishops where Muslims outnumber Christians by seven to one' by Tim Ross"

Good thing no one's getting hysterical. {sarcasm/Off}

Posted by JCF at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 8:23pm GMT

Does Hampshire really need two dioceses?

Posted by Fr Mark at Friday, 10 December 2010 at 10:04pm GMT

Please excuse this presumptuous observation from a mere Canadian (who was once incumbent of a parish larger than the southern ecclesiastical province of Canterbury).

IIRC, the original pattern in the United States was one diocese per state. Given the relative distances involved and the standard of transport at the time, it perhaps made sense to subdivide some of those states.

But (especially with the reasonably good transportation infrastructure in England) does it make sense to have any of the counties (that's the correct term, I hope?) divided into more than one diocese? Indeed, aren't there actually two diocese within the conurbation of London?

Posted by Malcolm French+ at Saturday, 11 December 2010 at 5:48am GMT

Fr. Malcolm,

That's certainly the pattern here in the state of Georgia. We have Atlanta Diocese and Georgia Diocese, but started as one diocese. The sheer size of the areas to be covered resulted in splitting. Atlanta-area has better transportation and urban development, but the Diocese of Georgia, with the See on the Atlantic Coast and stretching across to the Alabama border through swampland and rural/semi-rural communities is still a huge challenge to cover, but doable.

Posted by MarkBrunson at Saturday, 11 December 2010 at 11:18am GMT

Hopefully, the Dioceses Commission will get their teeth into London/Southwark/Chelmsford before too long...

Posted by SB at Saturday, 11 December 2010 at 3:36pm GMT

dear SB,
There have been attempts to re-think boundaries in London/Southwark/ Chelmsford before...indeed ideas of reducing Areas in London. But they haven't happened. Reform of this kind is very slow in the Church of England and inertia and vested interests are strong. I will be surprised if the present ideas for Yorkshire dont get substantially watered down. After all it needed the Government in the 1830's to take the Church by the scruff of the neck to "bring it up to date", not a task the government would be much interested in now. Mission imperatives are fine....but I suspect substantial reform will only come a decade or so hence when financial pressures really do "shake the foundations".

Posted by Perry Butler at Sunday, 12 December 2010 at 11:03am GMT
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