Comments: Civil partnerships review – terms of reference and timetable

It's not 'gay marriage' which will undermine the traditional sort. It's extending civil partnerships to opposite sex couples which will do what is so feared. There wil be many who will take this opportunity to gain all the benefits of marriage without the historical and patriarchal baggage. Those Christians who have been trying to kill the equal marriage bill by advocating this measure are going to have to face the consequences of their own duplicity.

Posted by Richard Ashby at Sunday, 16 June 2013 at 8:22am BST

Well the Church of England response to this is going to be interesting - grab some popcorn, this is going to be fun.

I have wavered all over the place on the question of equal Cps, though am strongly against discontinuing them for same Sex couples (at some future point it is easier to discontinue if restricted to same Sex couples).

I was though very strongly moved by Tim Loughton's speech on this in the Commons debate.

It may be there is no demand for CPs for opposite Sex couples. Well and good no harm done giving people the choice. It may be a massive success - if a lot of people spontaneously choose CPs it can't be a bad idea. We have to trust people to make the right decisions in their lives. The biggest social policy challenge is the number of cohabiting couples with few if any rights. CPs won't fully solve the problem - again the State can only do so much but if a couple of thousand couples have protection that otherwise wouldn't I consider that a big success in a humane and caring social policy.

Posted by Craig Nelson at Sunday, 16 June 2013 at 11:50am BST

For those of us who think that separation of church and state is a good thing, the ideal is that everyone who wants to get hitched, SS and opposites sex, should get a civil marriage, and have a religious marriage only if they so choose. It may be a foreign concept to members of CoE, but in some places clergy are very uncomfortable with being "agents of the state." Of course, liberal churches have been barred from performing marriage, so they haven't exactly been enjoying Freedom of Religion, have they? (That's US and UK.)

In this scenario, everyone has equality under the law. And the churches get to decide who they will and will not marry. People have the freedom to choose liberal, moderate, or conservative denominations or parishes. I know there's a very strong wrinkle in that for CoE. I'm also keenly aware that the US does not have this nirvana yet either.

Just a thought.

Posted by Cynthia at Sunday, 16 June 2013 at 7:15pm BST
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