Comments: Public opinion on B&B discrimination is divided by age

The Bull v Hall hearing in the Supreme Court can be watched live from a link on the Supreme Court website.


Posted by badman at Wednesday, 9 October 2013 at 2:08pm BST

The statistics are interesting; but it must be remembered real people are involved in this matter.
As a priest nearing his 80th birthday, and Blessed to be in a Civil Partnership I believe the owners of the bed and breakfast are well out of order. They are refusing to obey or accept the law of the land. Taking us back to the 50's and 60's.
Thankfully we have moved on from those days, and a hotel of repute would not question the matter.

Fr John

Posted by Fr John E. Harris-White at Wednesday, 9 October 2013 at 3:18pm BST

"Amongst all religious people those most in favour of allowing discrimination are the small group who look to God (48% to 36%), scripture (50% to 37%), or traditions/teachings of religion (49% to 35%) for their main authority in life."

They should be careful what they wish for. It is a matter of debate, although not serious debate outside the world of bigots, as to whether people who experience same-sex attraction can in any useful sense "change". It is not a matter of debate whether religion is a fixed characteristic: people changing their religion is a pretty common event, with a constant flow between various faiths, denominations, sects and, indeed, faith and non-faith.

Therefore, in any legal structure in which the religious get to ram through legislation that permits discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (and this is all hypothetical, because it will no more happen than I will learn to fly unaided), discrimination on the grounds of avowed faith will absolutely be legal. However "fixed" a characteristic you think sexuality is, religious faith is less fixed.

Want to be able to post "no gays" signs on doors? Fine. Get ready for "No Christians" signs. Forget about all those disputes about whether or not you can wear crosses in the workplace: it would become legal for shops, hotels and so on to refuse service to anyone displaying religious symbols or, indeed, whom they suspected of being a bit Christian.

If Christians really want to advance the argument that the sine qua non of Christianity is discriminating against people on the grounds of sexuality (and it appears that some Christians believe that, while too many of the rest are unwilling to say "not in my name", cf. assorted ABCs) then they should get ready for the backlash. And backlash there most certainly would be.

Posted by Interested Observer at Wednesday, 9 October 2013 at 3:53pm BST

I found this the other day. If it is true that you can't turn away unmarried heterosexual couples, as the author suggests, but which the Bulls say they do, then they haven't a leg to stand on. Have they?

Posted by Richard Ashby at Wednesday, 9 October 2013 at 4:47pm BST

As usual the Church gives out a negative message. It's not surprising that the next generation are not interested.

Posted by Concerned Anglican at Wednesday, 9 October 2013 at 10:18pm BST

I wonder whether they asked to see the marriage certificates of the heterosexual couples and analysed whether their marriage was biblical? i.e are you re-married divorcees?

Will they sell their business to a couple who want to use it as a B and B with non discrimination?

Posted by robert ian williams at Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 6:19am BST

Seems I belong to the excluded 50-59 year olds who don't know what they think!

Posted by Fr Paul at Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 4:40pm BST

Fr. Paul. You have us all on tenterhooks. Can you tell us openly, what you do think? I, at least, would be most interested! (p.s.. I think I know what RIW thinks - about this, anyway)

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Friday, 11 October 2013 at 1:44am BST
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