Comments: Same-Sex Marriages in Shared Church Buildings

"religious organization may fear that this constitutes a “salami slicing” exercise to further reduce their religious freedom"

In contrast to this fear-controlled attitude, on this side of the Pond---

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 19 October 2013 at 9:53pm BST

I appreciate JCF's comment that Same-Sex Marriages will now be able to be performed in the U.S. State of New Jersey. Good, also, that a TEC Bishop is willing to provide leadership on this issue.

TEC has already allowed for Same-sex Partnership Blessings. In the circumstances, what is actually being done is to bless same-sex relationships - whatever one is disposed to call them, and to offer God's Blessing for a life-long monogamous relationship of two people 'who love one another, and wish to spend the rest of their lives together' - surely this need to be encouraged, rather than resisted. If we can bless battleships, why not paired relationships - of human beings in God's Image and Likeness?

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 20 October 2013 at 12:50am BST

As an American (and not only) I too appreciate JCF's reference and what the Bishop of NJ says, and see that as quite a contrast to RW's comments to the TAB on another thread in TA. I have been thinking a lot about Blessing-Wounding (blesser as the French say)- in Zurich we use the related readings of a Sunday and so today was Jacob wrestling with God (as he himself puts it) and getting blessed and also wounded. I think what a blot and festering wound slavery and its aftermath have been to USA. Segregation by skin color lasted well into the 1960s and violence against blacks has not yet disappeared. However that wound gave rise to Civil Rights (yes, I marched to Washington 50 years ago) and that surely is part of the story about why TEC is so much more inclusive than the C-of-E. From the wound of slavery and sgregation has come the blessing of an awareness that exclusion is always demeaning - in Brown vs the school board of Topeka Kansas the Supreme Court said that separate is never equal. Amen

Posted by Sara MacVane at Sunday, 20 October 2013 at 1:24pm BST

TEC is much more inclusive and has actually been open to the issues as part of its own journey. TEC is showing the CofE and also the wider Anglican Communion as well, possibly, as Christianity outside the Anglican Communion that you don't need to fear the gays.

Posted by Craig Nelson at Sunday, 20 October 2013 at 6:26pm BST

Craig's formulation - 'you don't need to fear the gays' - seems to me spot on. Whatever one thinks of the term 'homophobe', it is an important insight that 'conservative' Christian attitudes to gay people are strongly motivated by fear: because the very occurrence of gayness challenges their notion that everything is perfectly ordered in a perfect universe scrupulously designed in detail by God. In reality, gayness is just something that occurs and is morally neutral. So it's equally erroneous to say: 'God created gays'. However, to argue these things is immensely difficult because people's most fundamental notions about 'the creation' are profoundly challenged.

Posted by John at Monday, 21 October 2013 at 8:25pm BST
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